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Post by JadedMonk » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:05 pm

I may have mentioned in the past, but of the Aves, the Super White has an extremely fine grain and bright white ( go figure ) color. It beats all the others hands down.

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Post by TER-OR » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:30 pm

I've found the Aves is generally finer grained than Miliput, mixes more easily and cures more consistently. That said, it's been years since I used Milliput.
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Post by seam-filler » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:57 am

Milliput Superfine White is every bit as fine as AVES, but it is a lotmore difficult to mix properly and it has a much, much shorter shelf life unmixed.
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Post by omega leader » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:34 pm

A few weeks back my wife and I drove about an hour to get Aves from a sculpting supply house in Toronto (though we were going elsewhere too).

I finally got a chance to use it yesterday and I'm stunned, it is truly a bizzar substance, soft yet hard, holds a shape and yet is easily pushed into bubbles. I don't understand it, but my other putty's are going out. And I feel like I want to try and finish my horribly miscast model that has been haunting me for 5 years.

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Post by Underlord » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:29 pm

I too tried the blessed Aves last night for the first time. Ohh My GOODNESS!! Seriously folks, you're on page 10 of people raving about this product... do yourself a favor and go get some!!

I bought the 1lb pack about a month ago. I still had some (what I then thought) pretty good putty that I had been using for seams etc., but my Reliant original mold had some fit issues that required a bit more filling. I re-read some of the sage advice here, grabbed three plastic knifes (marked A, B, and MIX), a couple of zip-lock bags and whipped up a double pea sized batch to test with. It was rather stiff to mix, but once it was well mixed I let it sit for 15 min while I put away my A knife and A tub in my A zip-lock bag, and did likewise with my B parts. Out came the metal spatulas and this stuff spread like butter!!! A little IPA on a q-tip to smooth it out and today I ran a light 700 grit over it quickly... no more filling, no more sanding and re-filling... it's done and ready for primer! Tomorrow I'm gonna try my Mr Surfacer 1200... now if I could just get a little better with my airbrush!

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Post by Whiteraven_2001 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:18 am

Insane Aves paste question: Can it be thinned enough to be extruded through a syringe? I can see that would have some useful applications. Using the actual paste straight from the container is a pain.

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Post by JadedMonk » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:04 pm

Not as insane as you might think. It can and I have. Works at treat.

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Post by Beaveranger » Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:08 pm

Sorry if this has been asked earlier in the thread, but I just don't have the time to go through ten pages. :oops:

I have heard others say that they have had a problem with the Aves ghosting under primer and paint. Has anyone else had this problem? Or are they doing something wrong?
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Post by JadedMonk » Sat Mar 19, 2011 4:53 pm

I'm getting something you might call ghosting on my Apollo 27, that I appear dead set against finishing. In my case I think I'm just looking at the difference in textures, between styrene and the semi-porous Aves. I haven't yet gone back and sanded with successively finer grits, but I anticipate that solving it. I'll report back with my findings.

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Post by southwestforests » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:03 pm

What is "ghosting"?
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Post by USS Atlantis » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:58 pm

southwestforests wrote:What is "ghosting"?
Kinda like when you try to paint with Latex House Paint over where your kid used Magic Markers on the wall

Unless you seal it, some of the color will bleed through

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I've never had this problem with properly measured/mixed Aves - sculpt or paste

Could be different proportions, incomplete mixing or both

Scrape off and try again would be my suggestion
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Post by starmanmm » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:42 pm

Never had that issue... as long as I primed first.
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Post by USS Atlantis » Sat Mar 19, 2011 7:59 pm

starmanmm wrote:Never had that issue... as long as I primed first.
I didn't think about that - priming is second nature, I rarely even think about it

Ya, always use a good primer - I use Tamiya grey or white myself
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Post by Beaveranger » Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:53 pm

southwestforests wrote:What is "ghosting"?
They say they can see the difference in color of the aves and the plastic showing through.
starmanmm wrote:Never had that issue... as long as I primed first.
See, that's what I said. Makes me wonder what kind of primer they are using.... so I never try to use it :P
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Post by ProfKSergeev » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:24 am

Anyone ever had any trouble with Aves' never drying? I mixed up a batch over two days ago and used it on a couple of scratchbuilds, but even now it's just as malleable as when I combined and kneaded equal parts A & B. I know the stuff is good, because I'd used more from the same tubs before with no problems.

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Post by Kylwell » Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:38 am

I've seen Aves not cure when it hasn't been mixed thoroughly. The black seems to be notorious for failing to mix. Just becoming a uniform color doesn't mean it was necessarily fully mixed. My rule of thumb is @ least 2 minutes of mashing & kneading.
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Post by ProfKSergeev » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:12 pm

I routinely mix for 2-3 minutes, which is what has me really perplexed; I did nothing different this time from the dozens of other times I've successfully used Aves. Does it ever go off? I'm near the bottom of these two tubs, and perhaps I just passed their shelf life.

The Aves website suggests sticking any uncured material under a heat lamp, so I'm going to give that a shot.
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Post by Kylwell » Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:42 pm

That'll help accelerate the curing process.

huh, I've had 3 y/o Aves with/o an issue.

Anybody else run across something similar?
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Post by starmanmm » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:25 pm

I have the tub size and they are over 4/5+ years and never had an issue of it not mixing or drying.

I have come across some crusty parts in the tub... which I throw out... but never had any issues.
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Post by Glorfindel » Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:08 pm

Generally have no problems mixing Aves though the last time I opened it part 2 seemed to be drying out far faster then part 1. I can screw a top on but feel there's something up with my part 2.
On the subject of Aves I know somewhere on this thread there's mention of thinning Aves with a solvent of some type. Anyone know what works best?
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Post by USS Atlantis » Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:55 am

If this is the Paste that seems to be drying

Toss it in the microwave for 10-15 seconds - that's how I "revived" my paste a couple years ago

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Post by Glorfindel » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:12 am

It's not the pasts, it's Epoxy Sculpt. I do love this stuff. It's help correct many a thing.
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Post by Whiteraven_2001 » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:24 pm

JadedMonk wrote:Not as insane as you might think. It can and I have. Works at treat.
I think I tossed my paste out, due to frustration, but I may have to buy another sampler's worth, just to try it out. I have the "syringe" from a toner-refilling kit. Blunt-tipped, large-bore needle might just be the thing.

One question: was your syringe glass or plastic?

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Post by seam-filler » Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:10 am

Woe, oh woe!!

And it came to pass that the only purveyor in the UK of the blessed AVES has ceased to sell it. And lo! The angels and modellers wept! The bay of evil did offer unto us a glimmer of hope, but verily were the prices loathsome.

“Import it thyself!”, sayeth the American brethren, but alas, Her Majesty’s Customs do stop it, take it, and destroy it, being unbelievers and low of wit. (It’s not banned for import to the UK, but that doesn’t worry customs).

And so the faithful did ask, “Where the *&@% can I get AVES in the UK?
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Post by Mark Yungblut » Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:46 am

Contact Aves and ask for a European distributer since yours has ceased carrying their products
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Post by G-man » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:00 pm

... forgive me for not taking the pilgrimage to the Abby of Aves like a man, on my own. But i fear i am weak of spirit and need guidance in these poor times we find ourselves trodding upon.

Where good friends, might i find a good sampling of this.. Aves, for a good price, for a novice at using the amazing scuplty substance?

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Post by G-man » Mon Apr 04, 2011 2:32 pm

thank you kindly good sir :)
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Post by AbsoluteSciFi » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:46 am

Shinnentai wrote:
For lubrication, water is best, hands down, and by a long measure.

For blending and thinning, Safety Solvent beats out alcohol by virtue of both performance, and alcohol's negative side effects. For anything involving sculpting the difference is significant, and IMO more than enough to justify the extra cost. For straight no-frills gap filling though, alcohol will get the job done.

What alcohol really kicks arse at is tool cleaning. Its aggressiveness makes it much, much better at this than water or Safety Solvent. Believe it or not, alcohol even outperforms acetone in this department!

Hope this helps other Avis noobs out there. Cheers!
From what I am reading the water coupled with alcohol equals Safety Solvent... so... mix water and alcohol?

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Post by Butters » Sun May 15, 2011 2:04 pm

Can Aves be stained with a wood stain?
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