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Post by TER-OR » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:19 pm

I would name this generic Epoxy Putty but we have such an evangelical approach to our favorite product....

I thought it deserved its own thread.
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Post by TER-OR » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:24 pm

Lo and hear me, good people of the web. A moment of divine inspiration has visited this humble modeler. Consternation yielded to invention, need to solution.


Aves can be tinted with India Ink!
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Post by Kylwell » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:34 pm

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Post by rpauly » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:51 pm

And as an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church, I can baptize you with Safety Solvent!
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Post by TREKKRIFFIC » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:14 pm

Well I finally took the plunge and sent in an order for the Aves sampler pack available in the SSM store. I look forward to trying this stuff out. Hope it's as good as the Putty Apostles on this site say it is.
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Post by DennisH » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:27 pm

TREKKRIFFIC wrote:
I look forward to trying this stuff out. Hope it's as good as the Putty Apostles on this site say it is.

AVES is like MacGuyver's duct tape and the Force*. You can make or do anything with it and no one's quite sure where ApoxieSculpt gets its magic-mojo power. :wink:



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Post by Hiryu02 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:05 am

How easy is Aves to work with compared to say, Mr White Putty? I'm experimenting with Mr White right now and I gotta say its frustrating.
It comes out of the tube at toothpaste consistency yet becomes stiff and kinda crumbly very fast.

Also, it's very hard to remove from my tools/fingertips etc. I may be picking up some Aves this weekend, because I want to fill in some gaps in this model I'm working on, and maybe use as a scratchbuilding material.

If anyone can let me know how the different putty's compare (Tamiya, Mr White, Aves etc) I'd be very grateful.

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Post by modeler1964 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:25 pm

TREKKRIFFIC wrote:Well I finally took the plunge and sent in an order for the Aves sampler pack available in the SSM store. I look forward to trying this stuff out. Hope it's as good as the Putty Apostles on this site say it is.
Well, I ordered the 1 pound variety yesterday. I can't wait to try it out. I have been wandering in the heat of the bondo glazing putty wilderness and hopefully the oasis of Aves is near from which I may now drink. [-o<

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Post by Kylwell » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:36 pm

Hiryu02 wrote:How easy is Aves to work with compared to say, Mr White Putty? I'm experimenting with Mr White right now and I gotta say its frustrating.
It comes out of the tube at toothpaste consistency yet becomes stiff and kinda crumbly very fast.

Also, it's very hard to remove from my tools/fingertips etc. I may be picking up some Aves this weekend, because I want to fill in some gaps in this model I'm working on, and maybe use as a scratchbuilding material.

If anyone can let me know how the different putty's compare (Tamiya, Mr White, Aves etc) I'd be very grateful.
Aves takes 4 hours to cure but the nice thing is you can mix up 2 pounds of the stuff and it'll take 4 hours to cure. It's a 2 part epoxy putty so the cure is by reaction not evaporation. First mixed it's very, very sticky. If the surface it smooth or rough enough it'll stick forever. I've got some on my airbrush handle that's been there for years. Let it sit for a 15 minutes and a lot of the tackyness will disappear. You can work it for several hours if need be. Once cured it sands like styrene. You can roll it out into sheets, machine it on a lathe when hard, polish it to a glossy sheen.

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Post by rpauly » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:53 pm

Hiryu02 wrote:How easy is Aves to work with compared to say, Mr White Putty? I'm experimenting with Mr White right now and I gotta say its frustrating.
It comes out of the tube at toothpaste consistency yet becomes stiff and kinda crumbly very fast.

Also, it's very hard to remove from my tools/fingertips etc. I may be picking up some Aves this weekend, because I want to fill in some gaps in this model I'm working on, and maybe use as a scratchbuilding material.

If anyone can let me know how the different putty's compare (Tamiya, Mr White, Aves etc) I'd be very grateful.
Well, first off, Aves doesn't come out of a tube. :D Once you mix it, Aves is somewhat soft. If you let it sit for a bit (15-30) minutes, it gets some body to it, and will hold detail a fair sight better (if you're carving or texturing). It smooths with a finger and some water (I use distilled) or Vick's rub. Aves Safety Solvent is great for thinning it down or clean-up, too. It's great for filling gaps - roll out a tiny snake of Aves, lay it on the gap, smooth with a damp finger, clean up with a moistened Q-tip, and you're done.
There really isn't a comparison to any tubed putty, except to say once you go Aves, you'll never go back...
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Post by bluesman » Sat Mar 01, 2008 3:59 pm

Isopopyl alcohol works great for smoothing it too.
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Post by Hiryu02 » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:20 pm

Well, thanks for the info. The experiment I did last night with Mr White Putty didnt turn out too great. It marks with me fingernail, and it didnt seem to cure thoroughly. I was able to make a depression at the thickest point and it seemed it had not cured all the way through.

I will try and pick some aves up at the HS tomorrow and see what I can do with it.

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Post by TER-OR » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:42 pm

Remember, the more you thin the Aves or other epoxy putties, the softer they will cure. As mentioned, let the putty cure for 30-60 min, it will be relatively stiff and less tacky. Then you can roll it into ropes and place it where you want - or into sheets etc. After it's in place you can shape and smooth. Remove excess with alcohol and a brush, clean the surrounding are with alcohol on a paper towel.

Silicone shaping tools are invaluable. Keep them moistened with the alcohol.
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Post by modeler1964 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:40 pm

Tried some aves for the first time last night on my AMT K'Tinga. Pretty impressive stuff. Does not shrink at all! I mixed it and let it sit for about 15 minutes. I then filled some areas with it and smoothed it with some water and a q-tip. I don't think I will even need to sand the areas. Looks like I will be using it exclusively now. No more bondo for me!

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Post by Lt. Z0mBe » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:22 pm

modeler1964 wrote:Tried some aves for the first time last night on my AMT K'Tinga. Pretty impressive stuff. Does not shrink at all! I mixed it and let it sit for about 15 minutes. I then filled some areas with it and smoothed it with some water and a q-tip. I don't think I will even need to sand the areas. Looks like I will be using it exclusively now. No more bondo for me!
"'Hallelujah!' sayeth the faithful as they welcomed their brethren to the flock. The hopes of the bondites are dashed upon the rocks of their iniquties but the manna from Aves rains down upon the benches of Aves' faithful. Amen!"

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Post by Ti Raven » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:27 am

I went to the store tonight, with C.C. in hand and ...... I have to wait.
The Test of my Hypothetical Patience, has begun.
I was going to recieve the Blessings of Aves and the Holy Black C.A. but now must wait.
For, low the faithful hath been there before me.. and I must wait my turn...
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Post by modeler1964 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:37 am

How do you guys think aves would be in joining parts together? Apply the aves to one part, squeeze them together and let the excess come out of the seam then scrape/smooth off the seam? Like in this top and bottom join on my KTinga?

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Post by TER-OR » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:10 pm

I have used Aves as a bond in holy modeling unions for many years. Unlike human unions, these have proven to withstand the ages.

You will want to make sure it's sticky when you do it, and rough the surfaces a bit, or apply bonding pieces - little bits of styrene with cement, for example. The epoxy putty will not stick well to glossy surfaces - which is quite useful.
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Post by jgoldader » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:04 am

Aves, Blessed Among Fillers, has in the past graced the union of styrene to styrene. But has the Greatest of Fillers been known to bless the union of HDPE and styrene? Assuming the surfaces are roughed up first, of course.

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Post by vlester » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:06 pm

I know I should not doubt, however I have a question about thine Aves.

Does it dry out in the container? Is there much difference between the putty and the paste?

I'm thinking about using something like that for making Lekku on pilot figures to make Twi'lek pilots for some of my ships.

would Aves allow that?

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Post by TER-OR » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:29 pm

Indeed, young Padawan, Aves is your substance of choice.

For the Twi'lek, shape a wire in the attitude you want, and add the Aves around it. Allow it to cure about an hour before trying to really shape it, otherwise it will be too soft and you'll be frustrated.

The putty is very thin, supposedly good for filling, but I haven't had much luck with it. I prefer to thin the putty.
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Post by Lt. Z0mBe » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:51 pm

vlester wrote:I know I should not doubt, however I have a question about thine Aves.

Does it dry out in the container?
Fear not! I keep my Aves in accordance with the blessed sacrament. I have had my original batch since my conversion. I store each in a separate zip lock bag. Also, I have a separate butter knife for each container; there's an "A" and a "B" knife. Cross contamination with any epoxy putty is your enemy when it comes to the evils of dessication. Every once in a while, I will recite some meditations and just drip a few drops of water from my fingertip into the part "B" container. This is something I may do once every six months or so as it's not really a problem.

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Post by Kylwell » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:55 pm

vlester wrote:Does it dry out in the container?
It can, but it takes a lot. A year or two (or three?) with mild contamination will lend it to having hardened chunks.

It took me a while to go through my first pound but now I use it alot.
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Post by Hiryu02 » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:01 pm

I just tried sanding the blob I had mixed, my first ever test with Aves, and I gotta say this stuff is the...stuff! Sands easy, cures super hard, and I test scribed and it did not chip or flake. I can't wait to start using this in my builds asap.

I must say that I am now a new convert to the church of Aves.

"Yea, for Aves in its mercy soothes the brow of the errant sander, for he who mixes and sands will be blessed, so long that he honor the halves of the Aves...


Letters to the burnishers; 12:1"


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Post by Lt. Z0mBe » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:34 pm

Hiryu02 wrote:I just tried sanding the blob I had mixed, my first ever test with Aves, and I gotta say this stuff is the...stuff! Sands easy, cures super hard, and I test scribed and it did not chip or flake. I can't wait to start using this in my builds asap.

I must say that I am now a new convert to the church of Aves.

"Yea, for Aves in its mercy soothes the brow of the errant sander, for he who mixes and sands will be blessed, so long that he honor the halves of the Aves...


Letters to the burnishers; 12:1"


My apologies to Zombe for using his premise.
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Post by davidlgreen » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:08 am

just got the aves apoxy sculpt and gotta say that stuff is incredible!
gotta try the putty next.

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Post by TER-OR » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:43 pm

I don't like the putty, I just thin the paste to the consistency I want.
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Post by k-dog » Fri May 09, 2008 7:55 pm

Well fold me into the order Im happy with it

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Post by TER-OR » Fri May 09, 2008 8:21 pm

Welcome, new Acolyte of Aves.
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Post by Ti Raven » Sat May 10, 2008 10:05 am

Ohm.....




Ohm.....



Oh My, this stuff's good!
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