Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

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Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:41 am

Hi guys, I'm about to chop off the head of a vinyl figure and stick it onto a styrene body. I've never done this before, so my question is, which glue do I use? And how strong will the bond be?

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by SpaceRanger1 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:24 am

I know of nothing that will permanently bond vinyl to styrene. Contact cement, epoxy, and white glue (PVA) might temporarily bond them, but the bond will be very weak. You could try splicing the two together by means of a wood dowel, then camouflaging the joint somehow. Silicone adhesive might work, or even plumber's cement, but nothing much bonds to vinyl.
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by TazMan2000 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:31 am

Loctite Vinyl, Fabric and Plastic Adhesive might work, but I've never tried it myself. I'm not sure you would be able to sand the seam, so perhaps you can cover it up.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by Richard Baker » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:34 am

Gorilla Glue may work but be wary- it is water activated and expands a bit when cured
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by Lt. Z0mBe » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:18 pm

Here's how I would handle this:

1.) Sink a dowel in some Aves in the body.

2.) Trim the excess from around the neck and allow it to cure. The figure should look like a dowelhead at this point

3.) Ever-so-lightly sand the soon to be seams on the base of the head and the top of the body. This will be useful for feathering in a bit.

4.) Place more Aves in head - almost too much - and place the head on the body. The dowel should force some of the excess Aves out around the seam between the base of the skull/neck and the body.

5.) Sculpt and smooth your neck-to-body joint while the Aves is still wet. Some safety solvent or water will do nicely and get you a feathered joint that may not even need sanding after it's cured. Aves will feather into the vinyl and styrene like they're old friends.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by DaveVan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:28 pm

Richard Baker wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:34 am
Gorilla Glue may work but be wary- it is water activated and expands a bit when cured
2X nhere on Gorilla.....I've used it to attach many dis-similar materials. Worked so far. (CA type with the blue cap)
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:23 pm

Thanks for the tips guys. I like the aves idea, but that stuff is either not available, or very hard to find here in Australia. I think I saw it once in a haberdashery shop and it was pretty expensive, by memory.

Same for gorilla glue. I've heard of it on the forums, but once again, never seen it here in Australia. Is it a contact glue?

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by DaveVan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:18 pm

Gorilla is a CA 'instant' type glue. The blue cap version is just thick enough to stay where you put it and fill small voids. About $3 USD can you order it???
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:34 pm

Thanks for that. I'm pretty sure that we have a "Selleys" brand of thick gel type of CA glue here that I've seen at Bunnings. I'll have a look tonight.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by Liberator » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:10 pm

Gorilla glue is in Bunnings - red cap - I've bought it from there a while back. Not a bad glue but as noted - expands a little as it sets. Just checked the Bunnings web site - they still have it - bottles changed a bit though - I suppose the contents are the same. $10- for 59 ml - ouch!


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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:58 pm

Thanks for that Liberator. I'll check it out tonight. I'm pretty sure I've seen a gel type super glue that is specifically used for dissimilar plastics at Bunnings.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by naoto » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:11 am

I do find the commercials for Gorilla Glue rather amusing
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by Richard Baker » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:00 pm

I have an older car which has been parked for over a year with engine problems. THe constant sun caused the windshield rear view mirror shoe to come off the glass. I have tried gluing it on twice now with the super special stuff they sell at the auto parts store made specifically for this.
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by naoto » Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:14 pm

Gorilla Glue should not be confused with Gorilla Snot ( http://www.gorillasnot.us/ )
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by Wug » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:53 am

Is the vinyl really vinyl and not polyethylene? Don't let styrene and vinyl touch. The vinyl might soften. Create a barrier between the two materials. Put a thin layer of epoxy on one part. Let it set. Epoxy it to the other.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:05 am

I'm pretty sure it's vinyl. It's actually the Uncle Martin figure that comes with the "My Favorite Martian" kit by Pegasus. All the info on this kit point to it being a vinyl figure. I'm planning on chopping off his head, and glueing it to one of the Tamiya Rally Mechanics bodies. I've ordered the Tamiya product, now just waiting for it to arrive. I've also just bought the Gorilla glue, so I'll give it a try. I'm wanting to give Uncle Martin a more interesting pose, maybe seated in the ship or kneeling or bending over to inspect some damage, rather than just standing there with his arms folded across his chest.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by naoto » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:46 pm

Wug wrote:
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Is the vinyl really vinyl and not polyethylene? Don't let styrene and vinyl touch. The vinyl might soften. Create a barrier between the two materials. Put a thin layer of epoxy on one part. Let it set. Epoxy it to the other.
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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Thu Jul 27, 2017 5:43 pm

Thanks for that Naoto, it's a real eye opener.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by TazMan2000 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:33 pm

You could make a RTV mould of the head and then have no issues with gluing the resin head to the body.

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Re: Will vinyl and styrene glue together??

Post by aussie cylon » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:26 pm

You beat me to it. I was about to edit my last post. I'm now thinking of using that "blue stuff" to make a mold of the head and as you just said, I wouldn't have any issues. That saves me from destroying my Uncle Martin and I can cast several heads to glue onto different bodies for several different poses.

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