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Post by greasyspoon » Wed May 11, 2011 2:38 pm

I have never done anything worth showing but I did find some very good articles on greebies. They were written by John Selvia at lyzrdstomp.com. I think he as passed on and website went with him. So this is posted with out permission. The webiste is now gone but I did save some of the articles as a PDF if you would like to see them. These are some of the best articles I have seen, they are about balance. They are more theory and ideas than a how to which is much better IMHO.

Page 6 and on are the meat of the ideas
http://www.happinessismandatory.com/mis ... part_4.pdf

http://www.happinessismandatory.com/mis ... part_3.pdf

Create your own "real" alien font
http://www.happinessismandatory.com/mis ... part_5.pdf

Parts 1-3 of the series
http://www.happinessismandatory.com/mis ... mplete.pdf

This article is what actually pushed me over the edge to try to scratch build stuff. It a shame he passed on I would have loved to see a book by the guy.

Hope this helps.

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Post by Joseph C. Brown » Wed May 11, 2011 3:56 pm

I was stunned when John passed away; I am personally pleased that you had saved those pages. Thank you! He was one of the best at taking a difficult subject and making it easy to grasp.

I found a memorial on him on a blog:
John Selvia passed away suddenly at the young age of 45. John is probably known best for his popular site lyzrdstomp.com. The site brings together a community that shared John’s interests such as art, computers, video-games, and language (he was learning Russian).

John Selvia passed away Tuesday, March 18, 2008 from a heart attack.

In the late 80s, he defeated cancer.

In the 90s, he won two Emmys for his graphic art talent for channel 2 in Dayton.

In the 00s, he married his long-time companion, Lisa.
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Post by Tankmodeler » Wed May 11, 2011 5:09 pm

Very interesting and he does have a lot of good points on how to construct specific details, but I must say that I am not a fan of his end results. As I said above, for me items on the model must have a purpose, must make sense. His approach is to just throw stuff down on the model for the sake of texture. Yes, there is asymetry and balance and a lot of the other artist concepts of form, but many (not all, of course) of the end result looks jumbled and inelegant. Good engineering is elegant and the end result is the minimum needed to get the job done. His ship and his weapon look messy to me. Overly complicated.

This is not to deny his skill, just that his style is not for me.

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Post by AbsoluteSciFi » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:34 pm

@Greasyspoon
Thank you for posting that- I have looked in vain for that tutorial, not knowing what happened to lyzrdstomp, and John. I believe it is one of the first things I have seen that closely represents what I do: find ordinary objects and incorporate them into my builds in a not-so-obvious way.

I wish John's survivors the best.
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Post by Joseph C. Brown » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:45 pm

Sort of a bump... there was a thread in Construction that made me think I should see about gathering up all the varied threads about Greebles / Greeblies / detailing and see about:

A) possibly combining them

and

B) Making the result a 'sticky'
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Post by Scratchawan Learner » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:27 am

If this one doesn't achieve "sticky" status, it will be a crime. Detailing a model is a huge part of the fun of Sci Fi modeling. Greebling is a large part of detailing. This is the first time I had ever seen a treatise on "how to greeble properly".... and I feel it was well done. BRAVO! Many tips were digested, as I have read the many replies on this topic.
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Post by Kylwell » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:21 pm

Joseph C. Brown wrote:Sort of a bump... there was a thread in Construction that made me think I should see about gathering up all the varied threads about Greebles / Greeblies / detailing and see about:

A) possibly combining them

and

B) Making the result a 'sticky'
Bump it upline and see if the admins will agree.
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Post by Joseph C. Brown » Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:59 pm

...and I suspect I know the answer already:

"Joe, didn't you know that you can do that yourself?"


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Post by G-man » Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:42 pm

My thoughts are that this one and the "sources for greeblies" thread should be combined in some way. They go hand in hand and are both good resources for beginners and veterans alike.

I also submit that perhaps John should add Greeblies, Greebalize, Greebilate, Nurney...and all other variations therein, to the spell check for the site :D

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Post by Wug » Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:04 am

Could you put the original articles on the main SSM site?

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Post by Scotaidh » Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:47 am

I have tried to save these for myself, but I can't even manage to select them for printing. Any hints, anyone?
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Post by Tankmodeler » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:39 am

Also, don't forget this great word:

One word:

Kotubukiya

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/276/0/1

These parts by Kotobukiya are a bit clumsy and are really meant for fighting suit models, but sometimes are exactly what you need and, in these sized packages are cheap enough to buy a bunch for stock, like having lots of Evergreen strip.

Hobby Link Japan also stocks these (or they did, anyway).

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Post by Kylwell » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:43 am

So does the Starship Modeler store
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Post by Wug » Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:34 am

Hi Scotaidh,

The links to he pdfs worked OK for me. I' running the current version of Firefox on an old Widows machine. Right Click, Save Lin As... worked fine.

If you still have trouble, I could email the pdfs or html versions I downloaded a long time ago.

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Post by Scotaidh » Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:31 am

Wug wrote:Hi Scotaidh,

The links to he pdfs worked OK for me. I' running the current version of Firefox on an old Widows machine. Right Click, Save Lin As... worked fine.

If you still have trouble, I could email the pdfs or html versions I downloaded a long time ago.

Mike

Thanks, Mike - that worked. I feel kinda sheepish - I never thought of saving them that way ... I was trying to copy & paste into Word.

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Post by Joseph C. Brown » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:00 pm

BarbaraSantini wrote:Greeting! Here is the link for you to follow --spam--, when you need to check the texts written by you! Cheers!
If you choose to return and post something about scratchbuilding sci-fi models, great! Otherwise, that post is suspiciously spam-bot-like. Bad grammar, too.
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Post by Warped Speedster » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:00 am

This is still a good thread to review occasionally.

Maybe some of you have already done this. It has recently dawned on me that masking tape is pretty cool to use as a material for very thin raised panels, and accents. It has a slight texture so it may not be right for some projects, but it does look pretty good on projects where texture is desired. Very thin strips of tape can be curved a little and may contour to difficult surfaces too which is great. And, of course, it sticks and paints well. Once painted it's pretty much a permanent fixture.

Of course you'll want to make your pre-cuts on a clean hard surface. Glass is perfect. A sharp new blade is a must.

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